Web 2.0 presentation
October 1, 2007 at 10:45 pm | In Uncategorized | 18 CommentsWe had a great discussion in class during and after Tim’s presentation; let’s continue it! And feel free to peruse Tim’s visual and handout.
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There’s a lot of literature on Web 2.0 and/or the evolution of the web, and some of it is pretty readable. In class I mentioned Paul Graham’s Hackers and Painters (2004); The Cathedral and the Bazaar (1997) is old but it gives you a window into the open-source community and the idea of distributed effort/collective intelligence; at some point you need to read some Yochai Benkler, why not read The Wealth of Networks (2006), which is free?
Comment by tchammond — October 1, 2007 #
As a teacher, I can appreciate many of the pros to web-based applications that are a part of the whole “Web 2.0″ evolution. If you manage to “hurdle” the digital divide (in other words all of your students have a computer and reliable Internet access) it can level the playing field if you don’t have to worry about who has what application installed at home. In addition, the opportunities for collaborative work – between students in the same class and/or school as well as from different classes and/or schools is exciting. I guess the downside would be that if the Internet wasn’t working, you would not have access to documents, etc. Sure beats “The dog ate my homework!”
Comment by Terri Miquel — October 2, 2007 #
Technology has revolutionize the way we teach and learn nowadays. But keeping up with technology can be such a tedious task, but in the case of Web 2.0 we can just make use of the frequent updated information to our advantage. The internet is here to stay and we as educators must make every effort to measure upto (to some extent) our millenial students. So how can we make use of web 2.0 effectively to enhace our teaching and motivate our students in learning.
I have a difficult time forgetting about the digital disconnect/divide. Although we live in the 21st century, where technology has changed many aspect of our lives, many people yet need to have access to technology (internet in this case). So what can be done about that? Even though Web 2.0 is a great concept and has already established credibility, it alone can’t alleviate such divisions.
Comment by Alex Rolón — October 2, 2007 #
Thank you very much for informing us about Web 2.0. Till this time, I have not heard anything about it.
As we discussed in class, Web 2.0 is growing exponentially. With the production tools like blogs, websites, wikis, forums.. , most of the web is right now created anyone who has access to Internet. As educators we should know that we cannot overlook the fact that enormous number of content is being created on the web by people everyday. I believe that emergence of such productivity tools is an extraordinarily significant step in the knowledge-sharing It is an amazing thing to see that people are willingly sparing their time to share their knowledge, experience and ideas with people that they have not met at all. I think, educators need to take advantage of this natural enthusiasm of people to create content on the web and use it for the benefit of improving students’ critical thinking, participating inquiry-based learning and reflective learning by encouraging the students to use discussion forum and create blogs and wikis where students can actually have freedom to talk and discuss on what they have learned at any time.
On the other hand, considering that we have infinite information on the web, I believe that teachers’ duty as a guide-on-the side is gaining more and more significance. It is impossible that a teacher can check or rate every single website that a student finds and reads, however a teacher can make sure that his/ her students know that their teacher is always there to direct them and assist them in their self quest for knowledge. Moreover, I think, teacher should do a preparation on which site can be recommended on that specific topic before letting students go online and search, otherwise students can easy be get lost in the infinite pool of non-credible websites.
Comment by Demet Metan — October 3, 2007 #
As I mentioned in class, I see most applications categorized as web 2.0 as “disruptive technologies.”According to wikipedia “A disruptive technology or disruptive innovation is a technological innovation, product, or service that eventually overturns the existing dominant technology or status quo product in the market”. I think wikis, blogs and social networking networking applications such as Facebook or myspace can be considered disruptive technologies as these applications are dominating the existing market and leaves no room for older web applications.
Comment by Ali Shameem — October 3, 2007 #
I want to make reference to this term “disruptive technology”. I was at the NCC trustee meeting today and we were discussing mathematics nowadays compared to mathematics in the 70’s and even earlier. I was asked by a trustee, what my take was on calculators. He further asked me if I thought the genesis of calculators meant the apocalypse of “intelligent, original and authentic thought.” I responded NO (of course). If calculators are used to make simple computations like 6*8 or 81/3, then I see it as a misuse of such tool. On the other hand, if calculators are used to explore more complicated problems that would otherwise be skipped (due to their complexity) then we are making good use of them. In my calculus classes, or even statistics, answers are sometimes not what’s important, but what kinds of follow-up questions are asked after we get an aswer.
Like technology, if used as a tool for the “everyday” checking email and/or posting messeges/pictures on myspace, or blogs, then how can any effective learning take place? What can we do to engage millenial students become more motivated about educational uses of technology? We need to supply for the demand at hand. Ineffective use of technology or the internet, can hinder students’ learning. Do we want to be part of the problem or part of the solution? Let’s change this methodology and create best pedagogical practices in our classes or design great tools for the students. The end goal should be student success.
Comment by Alex Rolón — October 4, 2007 #
Interested? Dr. Garrigan passed out a copy of the Phi Delta Kappa Lehigh Valley Chapter Newsletter to our budgeting, maintaining, and evaluating technology class the other night. In the newsletter there is information about a program/in service related to web 2.0. The program is entitled Teacher 2.0- A Irreverent Look at New Technologies to Empower Real Teachers. Sounds kind of interesting to me! The program is in the Governor’s Suite in Iacocca 4:30pm on 10/23. The cost is 5 dollars and includes a lite meal. If you would like any more info about he program please feel free to email me at tom206@lehigh.edu. I looked all over for a link to the newsletter/overview but couldn’t find one online.
Comment by tmccann — October 6, 2007 #
I think Tim did an excellent job axplaining Web 2.0 in a way that even the non-tech-savy listeners (me) could understand it. I never realized that there was such a great divide between the programs I have installed on my computer and the ones that are published online.
Comment by mattwolf — October 7, 2007 #
Surprisingly before Tim’s presentation, I’ve never heard anything about Web 2.0. I guess I just never really thought about how computer systems used to operate. Thinking about Web 1.0, I can now see why computers may not have been as big of a hit in the past as it is in the present with Web 2.0. Web 2.0 is a much better way of keeping consumers happy. Instead of spending all the money of constantly updating your computer, now we are able to update programs without having consumers buying software to do it. I would think that the companies that create these free updates are actually gaining more service than from the consumers who used Web 1.0. It’s truly amazing what we can do with technology these days. I can only imagine what it will be like in years to come. It’s actually exciting to see all the new advances we make each year with technology.
Comment by srg205 — October 7, 2007 #
WOW. This is a pretty awesome discussion thread–you guys are linking to resources, giving examples, highlighting upcoming opportunities…excellent work. Kudos to all who have participated thus far! And to extend Stacy’s comment about finances, part of what makes Web 2.0 is advertising (e.g., Google) and tiered services (e.g., the non-freebie level of Seedwiki) rather than per-unit sales (e.g., Macromedia, Microsoft). For school purposes, per-unit sales is in some ways better (stable, budgetable) and the ad-based models are problematic, even if free. Something to think about.
Comment by tchammond — October 10, 2007 #
Here is an interesting article about the Web2.0 and education.
http://www.jisc.ac.uk/media/documents/programmes/digital_repositories/web2-content-learning-and-teaching.pdf
Even though the authors focus on the higher education, they give us a useful hint of the perspective view of a school’s web2.0 application. In the web2.0 times, many institution/schools could create their own brand web2.0 applications which developed by the stuff and students. But comparing the commercial development, the self-developed version applications may not meet the user’s demands on some sophisticated content or functionality. So it is costly and effective to self-create schools own teaching and learning applications based on the commercial system and platform. For example, we are using the wordpress website as a blog platform for our course’s communication tool.
Comment by Lifang Chang — October 10, 2007 #
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I have heard Web 2.0 and Internet 2 (I2) before and I didn’t know if they are the same or different things. After the presentation I think I understand the difference. Web 2.0 is a concept regarding the design of the website. It does not related to technical specifications. I2 is a consortium (most of its members are higher-ed organizations) that develops advanced network applications and technologies for education and high-speed data transfer (please correct me if I am wrong). Thank you Tim.
Comment by pchu — October 11, 2007 #
I never heard about the term Web 1.0 and 2.0 before your presentation. Now I can understand the difference between Web 1.0 and Web 2.0. Web 2 platform is growing compared to Web 1 what I think. In terms of younger students’ perspective, it is distracting for them, real learning can hamper. Always teachers and parents have to keep an eye on what students and children are searching in the internet,either educational or adult concerned topic. In graduate student’s perspective, both Web 1 and Web 2 are good, informative, collaborative platform.
Comment by Jhumur — October 14, 2007 #
This is a great discussion on Web 1.0 and 2.0! However, I feel like we need to be careful sometimes with our enthusiasm for a new technologies. We still need to remember that some pretty sophisticated stuff is difficult to do/display in a web based application. Imagine editing a movie over the web instead of using a desktop PC. Think of how slow it would be. What about the front-end of a database application? Think of complex Microsoft Access app on the web. Clunky at best. Plus, there are larger security issues, connection issues, etc. on the Web. We need to make sure we don’t dismiss the need for desktop applications and other useful technologies just b/c of the new applications available on the Web (especially if they’re free). We risk limiting ourselves and kind of stymeing (sp) other types of development.
Also, is there ever a such thing as too much collaboration? (This is just me playing devil’s advocate) With Web 2.0 it increases the amount of sharing and collaboration that can go into any project. AND THAT IS FANTASTIC! However, what I’ve come to realize is that sometimes with too much sharing and collaboration, a task (that should be rather simple) never gets completed (or at least not on time). Also, I find that someone will do something half way knowing that someone else can (or will) come around to complete it. sometimes what this amounts to is a whole lot of junk to sift through on the Web!
And the digital divide/disconnect? All this Web 2.0 stuff cold potentially make it worse. It’s all about the connection and sharing and collaborating through it. How can we make it happen for those who can’t get connected? Hopefully, all this sharing and collaboration can lead to more people being aware of the problem and becoming part of a solution.
Comment by Trish — October 14, 2007 #
Peicheng: That’s a common point of confusion. Thanks for bringing it up, and you’re completely correct. I2 is basically dedicated bandwidth; Web 2.0 is a different way of using the web. You got it. Trish: Good points in your devil’s advocacy (and thanks for doing it–I, in particular, need that input and don’t always take time to pose the questions…); I’ll be interested to hear your thoughts after Doug’s presentation on Google docs on Monday.
Comment by tchammond — October 14, 2007 #
I had never heard of either Web 1.0 or Web 2.0 before and did not realize that some of these collaboration tools that I’ve used were part of it. Now, to add to the confusion, I just noticed that an upcoming “Lunch and Learn” workshop here at LCCC in November is going to be on web 3.0 tools! Has anyone heard of web 3.0 and how is that different from web 2.0, I wonder. Some of the tools listed were things I recognized from this class (Flikr, De.Licious, etc) and thought were part of web 2.0 so I’m wondering what this web 3.0 is all about.
Comment by Carol Reed — October 15, 2007 #
Carol: You got me! If you’re planning on being there, I’d love to hear what they have to say. I understand “read” versus “read/write”; what’s next? “read-write-teleport”??
Comment by tchammond — October 16, 2007 #